Zizek’s Bottoms

Coming at this late, having just finished looking around, it seems to me that if Zizek’s regular public displays and the regular reactions of blogviators offer any lasting ‘theoretical’ insight it is that nothing is entirely frivolous anymore, if it ever was. Offhand-seeming ‘jokes’ about caudillo clowns, faux-Lacanian analyses of popular TV, ‘Western Buddhists,’ liberal communists and the like do not negate the political argument they are used to make; if anything they produce more discussion than more traditionally fact-based, coherent, ‘transparent’ approaches. Even at Zizek’s masterful level of performance, when the in-jokes, references, and ironic stereotyping come to determine the politics of what is said even more than the propositional content of the statement itself, it does not stop being political, it does not foreclose seriousness.

Though always depressing, one is put in mind of Debord:

One cannot abstractly contrast the spectacle to actual social activity: such a division is itself divided. The spectacle which inverts the real is in fact produced. Lived reality is materially invaded by the contemplation of the spectacle while simultaneously absorbing the spectacular order, giving it positive cohesiveness. Objective reality is present on both sides. Every notion fixed this way has no other basis than its passage into the opposite: reality rises up within the spectacle, and the spectacle is real. This reciprocal alienation is the essence and the support of the existing society.

Whatever is produced by the spectacle is still spectacle, there is no absolute split between the assertion and its denunciation, both acts materially function to perpetuate ‘spectacular’ discourse. We would be tempted to slide from ‘spectacle’ to ‘simulacra‘ here, were it not impossible for us to forget, (mostly) conscious spectacle-producers that we are, our active role in this process. It, and our persona within it, is the result of our collective efforts.

At his best, no theorist is better able to remind us of this truth than Slavoj Zizek. And likewise, no bloggers have been more successful in demanding our acknowledgment of it than dejan and jonquille de camembert (aka troll aka new york pervert aka patrick j. mullins) of the parody center.

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dejan’s proces of becoming-Zizek began from the very beginning. He demanded that we evict Zizek from the content of our blogs, using his real-life status as an Oppressed Peoples to transform our initial disgust and irritation at his crass disregard for ‘liberal pieties’ like debate etiquette, witty yet inoffensive repartee, and self-respect, into pity. Some, who knew what he was about to teach too well to see what was coming, treated him as almost an equal, even an ally. If we did not evict Zizek, at least we learned how to take him seriously. We finally learned how to read him — either a) as a political agitator or b) as a link blog. We decided individually which was more important to us.

It took the efforts of jonquille to show dejan that in his rabid attempts to erase Zizek’s name from the Internet, he had cleared out a space for himself to occupy (the repetition of the original tragedy as farce). He set out, with jonquille as the Dick Cheney-cum-Leona Helmsley of the blogosphere along for the ride, to follow his old mentor in directly challenging liberal pieties and multiculturalist assumptions with references to pop culture! The new spectacle, same as the old: infinite deferral of the daddy figure. In short, he became a stah:

The celebrity, the spectacular representation of a living human being, embodies this banality by embodying the image of a possible role. Being a star means specializing in the seemingly lived; the star is the object of identification with the shallow seeming life that has to compensate for the fragmented productive specializations which are actually lived. Celebrities exist to act out various styles of living and viewing society unfettered, free to express themselves globally. They embody the inaccessible result of social labor by dramatizing its by-products magically projected above it as its goal: power and vacations, decision and consumption, which are the beginning and end of an undiscussed process. In one case state power personalizes itself as a pseudo-star; in another a star of consumption gets elected as a pseudo-power over the lived. But just as the activities of the star are not really global, they are not really varied.

From his master, he learned how to ingratiate himself to the media by repeating its tropes as shallow and therefore flattering mockeries. From his master he learned how to intersperse flattery with slander, and to embody the stereotypical Orientalist fantasies of a stereotyped version of his audience (aka himself) : racial hatred, hatred of women, the reduction of sociality to sexualized power games, etc. All carried out with the audience expectation but not the performance of irony, and thus experienced as cleverly subversive.

And the result? They love it! Except for those who love it too much and get burned for trying to become part-timers (and who really do deserve all they get), they, we, are ‘in on the joke.’ In truth we are inside the joke. We have been confronted with the ‘fact’ that WE ARE THE JOKE and we have laughed, as if it were ‘just a joke.’ And then go right on discoursing with all the earnestness of a professional academic about ‘politics’ as it happens ‘out there.’

The point of the joke, of course, is our failure to recognize what our actually existing politics are, our refusal to identify politically with anything outside the spectacle. We treat political orientations as if they were abstract theoretical entities, projecting ourselves into them in the manner of video game avatars, switching back and forth repeatedly to ‘get all perspectives.’ When the spectacle spits it all back at us we feel our theories have been confirmed. But dejan and Zizek have a fully realized political desire, appropriate to their perceived interests and advanced by their performances, which are never merely neutral, theoretical, or ‘for laughs.’ Whether or not this desire is rational, ethical, or emotionally balanced is another matter.

What would happen if we took our best self-representation, the ‘multitude’ offered by Hardt & Negri, seriously? Not as a description of something that has actually been realized, but as our virtually inherent vehicle of production.

We have seen that the flesh of the multitude produces in common in a way that is monstrous and always exceeds the measure of any traditional social bodies, but this productive flesh does not create chaos and social disorder. What it produces, in fact, is common, and that common we share serves as the basis for future production, in a spiral, expansive relationship. (Multitude 196-97).

In other words, there is order in blogland, and we are (re)producing it. It’s customary to write off academic/intellectual blogs as ‘hobbies’ no different than a personal diary or notebook. This is a good way to ease the pressure of writing out in the open. In this way we use it as a little mirror for the comfortable obscurity of academia. But if dejan/jonquille should have taught us anything, it is that the blogosphere is politics in miniature. And it is miniature only because we do not get enough hits.

If the world as presented to us by ‘global capitalism’ makes us believe we have no choice but ironic/intellectual detachment, the reality is precisely the opposite. We can either choose to know what our politics are, which involves knowing what tools we have at our disposal (however limited) and how we have been employing them, or we can accept ignorance. The one thing we can’t be is ‘detached.’

Yes, there have been and will always be flamers and ideological blowhards. But Zizek/dejan/jonquille have chosen to become political agents. They cast themselves as foreign jesters and parasites on what for most of us serves primarily as an ethical discourse (of the ‘Big Other’ or otherwise) — Marxism (which gets lumped together with more habituated ethical standards: they’re casually racist, sexist, and all the other things our parents and Bill Clinton should have told us to stay away from) in part to accomplish goals or spread propaganda that most of us don’t bother to understand, even when they ask us to. Zizek’s words derive from Lenin, Stalin, and Mao, dejan/jonquille’s derive from Le Colonel Chabert. Starting from the same function — the production of textual derivatives of European and American intellectuals — their behaviors are exaggerated versions of our own, directed at us. Therefore what comes out of them are problems for us. It’s true, dejan/jonquille are ants next to Zizek, of no real importance. But Zizek is not ‘important’ either; they are united in practice, and the fact that their names appear on our blogs. They invite our condescension, they try to intimidate and impress us through rudeness. What else they will have been depends on us.

UPDATE: THEY PUBLISHED MY NAME ON THEIR BLOG. GO THERE TO FIND OUT WHO I REALLY AM.

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66 Responses to “Zizek’s Bottoms”

  1. traxus4420 Says:

    Another hilariously overstated and yet accurate formal comparison:

    “There’s the shame of there being men who became Nazis; the shame of being unable, not seeing how, to stop it; the shame of having compromised with it; there’s the whole of what Primo Levi calls this ‘gray area.’ And we can feel shame at being human in utterly trivial situations, too: in the face of too great a vulgarization of thinking, in the face of TV entertainment, of a ministerial speech, of ‘jolly people’ gossiping. This is one of the most powerful incentives toward philosophy, and it’s what makes all philosophy political. In capitalism only one thing is universal, the market. There’s no universal state, precisely because there’s a universal market of which states are the centers, the trading floors. But the market’s not universalizing, homogenizing, it’s an extraordinary generator of both wealth and misery. A concern for human rights shouldn’t lead us to extol the ‘joys’ of the liberal capitalism of which they’re an integral part. There’s no democratic state that’s not compromised to the very core by its part in generating human misery. What’s so shameful is that we’ve no sure way of maintaining becomings, or still more of arousing them, even within ourselves. How any group will turn out, how it will fall back into history, presents a constant ‘concern.’ There’s no longer any image of proletarians around of which it’s just a matter of becoming conscious.”

    — Gilles Deleuze, conversation with Toni Negri, Futur Anterieur 1 (Spring 1990)

    of course, consciousness is a good place to START…

  2. traxus4420 Says:

    oh, and apologies for writing another zizek rant, which we should probably start deleting at this point. i hereby kick the habit.

  3. jonquille de camembert Says:

    What’s cutest about this is that it is the ant version of certain New York Review of Books-styled articles–specifically the sort Joan Didion writes there. It has that NYRB look and tone from the very beginning–with the use of Dejan’s cartoon of Zizek exactly the sort that always appears in the print versions of the journal. Your talent really is wonderful when it works: I suppose I should apologize for being the prime generator of what is the first prose I’ve ever read by you that looks as if you’ve broken free of some of the obstacles that plague your particular generation and have gone ahead and written in high style. As Christian would say, ‘Bravo, mon cher…’

  4. Although I am not too happy that you’re scavenging on our success by linking up to posts which I was about to put in the newest edition of the BLOG BUZZ, I have to admit that the way you captured our brilliance is pretty good for a half-baked Vietnamese lumpia about to be devoured, with or without bami, by the Queen of Lies.

    (I’ll get you for suggesting that our policies are irrational, unethical and emotionally balanced)

  5. jonquille de camembert Says:

    I neglected to include that I agree that it is ingenious how we use ‘a lot of Arpegian U.S. Product…’

  6. Traxus, I promised you an account of Albanian ethnogenesis as dominated by the Greater Albania myth, here it is:

    (note it is published by a Serbian diocese in Kosovo which also did not support Milosevic’s repressive policies)

    http://www.kosovo.net/sigler.html

  7. Traxus how did you make that link that changes every time you click?

  8. I can’t quite tell if you’re kissing their asses or getting ready to take Parody Center off your blogroll. Hey, now that I look, I see they’re NOT ON your blogroll. Did they used to be?

  9. Clysmatics, the American Stranger suddenly disappeared from our own blawgroll, I don’t know how. Must have been an administrative mistake!

  10. traxus4420 Says:

    thanks, you assholes.

    the latest bout in my struggle to figure out ‘what’s the deal with theory?’ which has occupied most of my time on these blogs, has reminded me of that thing chabert said during the antigram toss-up about baudrillard, that she liked reading him in the same way she likes reading novels. even though i think reduction to ‘literary’ value is too vague, i now feel like i understand what she meant about this post-nietzsche clique. i find baudrillard valuable, zizek’s theoretical work is fun, i don’t think they’re personally evil people but they aren’t….reliable, maybe is the word. they work by evoking this kind of exaggerated identification and self-interrogation, by taking some sentiment or thought that we may all have had, and pushing it out to its most exotic extremes. in a different because more logical, ‘philosophical,’ and so narrower sort of way than a novelist. their value is experimental.

    so since they are extremists by nature they will always be propagandists of a certain type. their powerlessness that makes them comic and easy to ignore also makes their more reactionary viewpoints, the ones they take ‘too far,’ easy to ‘ironically,’ aka uncritically, adopt, like a daring fashion accessory. being counted as fellow-objects of a narcissistic self-analysis makes ‘callow types’ feel important.

    and that’s why they have to be taken seriously, or critiqued beyond the superficial formal level and not just enjoyed or ‘appropriated’ even though their whole hipster pose encourages this. some kind of critical antagonism is the only response worthy of their intelligence, to make the most trivial point. which is why i like chabert, because as something of an extremist herself she has no problem being completely ‘unfair’ to these names, which forces their fans to defend themselves, to make some kind of CHOICE.

    as you can see, most of the other bloggers you play with treat you just like zizek, like little jester celebrities, even when dejan tries to be ‘real’ with them and talk about his homeland. and jester celebrity is just how you treat them, only from the parodically subordinate perspective of the gossip column, an irony they love to not fully appreciate.

  11. traxus4420 Says:

    “Clysmatics, the American Stranger suddenly disappeared from our own blawgroll, I don’t know how.”

    yeah, totally weird. information loss is a real problem these days.

  12. traxus4420 Says:

    “(I’ll get you for suggesting that our policies are irrational, unethical and emotionally balanced)”

    i would NEVER suggest that you were emotionally balanced.

  13. which is why i like chabert, because as something of an extremist herself she has no problem being completely ‘unfair’ to these names, which forces their fans to defend themselves, to make some kind of CHOICE.

    surely you must be talking about your own, masochistic post-modern ambivalence, your own inability to make a choice, which in real life always turns out more difficult than shuffling an iPod! But you know Childie, if you don’t make a choice, it will be made for you, and in this case it’s clear which Kommie terrorist will be nationalizing your tender Buddhist soul!

  14. traxus4420 Says:

    brand, brand, brand, brand to you too, parody man.

  15. i would NEVER suggest that you were emotionally balanced.

    That’s putting it like a sissy bottom, in fact; I like it much better when one of those smelly Marxists calls me a ”raving lunatic” !

  16. brand, brand, brand, brand to you too, parody man.

    you’re a misanthrope, actually; the Spectacle Society is not omnipotent. This is what you didn’t get in an otherwise exemplary panegiric.

  17. Great post: the passage from Debord re celebrity is very appropriate here. I want to respond to it properly, but quick reaction to what you say about Zizek, that he’s an ‘extremist’. Is he? In the piece on China I quoted he’s discussing the idea of people like Fareed Zakaria from Newsweek. And most of the opinions he expresses there would be perfectly at home in a mag like Newsweek, maybe even banal by their standards. That’s the point I think: Zizek is ‘extreme’ the way bungee jumping is an ‘extreme sport’.

  18. traxus4420 Says:

    kenoma, thanks, i meant ‘extremist’ in the sense of attitudes, beliefs, observations, these kinds of immaterial but deeply felt things. so the extremism does not involve addition, adding more observations or more material for analysis, it involves ‘deepening’ the analysis of the initial impression. zizek doesn’t bother looking for opinions outside of the mainstream, the mainstream ones are actually more appropriate to this sort of critique because they are more recognizable to himself and his audience. the extremism is all in the performance, getting to that ‘limit point,’ like you’re saying with extreme sports.

    parodycenter, omnipresent and omnipotent are two different things. you are reacting to your unstated assumption of the latter, i am considering the implications of the former.

  19. don’t get smart on me you treacherous bitch; you just subscribed yourself to a whole year of parody, where you will be treated as befits a cobra slave. The inclusion of Kretinoma on your blawgroll only made me and Jonquille more determined in this regard.

  20. traxus4420 Says:

    good.

  21. traxus4420 Says:

    also that should have read ‘virtually omnipresent’ i think.

  22. But anyway, Dejan and Patrick Mullins are just the scum of the earth, that’s obvious now. Really just excrement, and with their latest stunt tonight, publishing the names of pseudonymous bloggers, they’ve sunk to new lows. I think it’s very disturbing that Dejan would have the addresses of any bloggers, because he has the mind of a stalker. Really, his online persona fits perfectly the behaviour patterns of those troubled loners who usually end up featuring in some tragic fait divers on the evening news. He is obviously an isolated and friendless person in the real world, and from his behaviour online it’s easy to see why. Why else do you think he spends all that time constructing this little world with all these Dr Fosseys and cobras and so forth? Everything he talks about – Yugoslavia, movies, whatever – is just a decoy that might lure some unsuspecting dupe into protracted contact with him. He really doesn’t give a shit about the content of any conversation, which is why he’s so incoherent. He just gets his kicks from the simulacrum of human relationships that the blogosphere offers. And the distinction between the blogosphere and real life doesn’t exist for him, or at least is very nebulous. For instance: I saw today at that shithole he runs that when that knob-end Patrick mentioned he had seen a photo of Dominic, Dejan squealed with delight. He just HAD to see this picture, and Dominic, fool that he is, obliged. He needs these photos so much because they are the closest he is likely to get to face to face contact with another human being. He desperately needs to put a face on people like Dominic because they are the only people in his life he can consider as his acquaintances. That’s why those people who are flattered or amused by being mentioned in his blog awards are so hilarious: they should be fucking terrified that they’ve been drawn into his mental universe. Genuinely, there is no telling what Dejan may one day be capable of.
    Mullins is amused by all this because he is most likely mildly sociopathic, but he doesn’t really give a fuck about Dejan. He enjoys barking orders at him- get this person off your blogroll etc. – and then gets his kicks from seeing Dejan scurrying off to do his master’s bidding.
    As for what to do with them, well a flame war is out of the question. These arsewipes are classic attention seekers. They just have to be shut out and boycotted, and that means that anyone with an ounce of decency should wipe them off their blogrolls, refuse to speak to them in comment boxes and never link to them again. Anyone who continues to link to them or gets chatty in their comment boxes should be treated as if they are Dejanjonquille.
    Such rejection would probably drive Dejan over the edge, destroying what remains of his manifestly fragile mental health. Boo fucking hoo.

  23. “publishing the names of pseudonymous bloggers, they’ve sunk to new lows”

    It’s quite common in their set actually. My name and address was published on several occasions by bloggers from Long Sunday, the Valve, a kahanist/Kach website which tracks “traitor Jews” and a white supremacist website. A woman about my age who shares my name had swastikas and death threats painted on her car in New York in fact and the police suspected it was mistaken as belonging to me from the Kahanist website. The Weblog and Icite have also published the name and home address and a video of an anonymous commenter they didn’t like. Not long ago another blogger of the thing in itself crowd wrote threatening the same if I quoted or referred to comments he’d voluntarily left of my blog. The whole crowd has a very brownshirt sort of temperament and brownshirt ethics. I suspect it’s their idea of “politics”, as with Kach and other right wing fanatical groups.

  24. god now you’ve bogged yourself down in even more vicious lies. i don’t even have your address, jonquille does, and so far i have declined his proposals to publish it, but now i don’t care anymore. it’s not my fault that he hates your guts as does just about everybody you come in contact with, except your radical dogs. anyhow since the CIA didn’t get you so far, i don’t think you’re interesting enough for them, so i believe you will be totally safe.

  25. That’s disturbing, especially when you consider the pretty determined effort needed to go into finding out such information. I don’t think that was the case with this pair, but it just sickened me. I mean, what traxus wrote wasn’t really a full frontal assault – it took these dolts a full day to figure out that it was criticizing them – but if you look at the thread at that sewer, it took no time for them to publish his real name (if it is his real name, I have no idea or interest in knowing); and then it was just a minute before they decided to publish your name and address, complete with google maps. Really disgusting behaviour, and it gave me this pit of the stomach feeling I remember from seeing schoolyard bullying.
    They are definitely brownshirt tactics, with this pseudo-politics of unmasking and exposing, but reduced to the level of the proper name.
    Anyway, I meant every word I said about Dejan, and I would defy anyone who has read his crap for any length of time to say that it isn’t a fairly accurate portrayal. I mean the boycott idea seriously, and it would be interesting to see how many people would have the self-control to observe it. But then I suspect that many people will just regard this as harmless hijinks, and scold me for lacking a sense of fun.

  26. i don’t even have your address, jonquille does,

    yes you do, because you published it on YOUR blog. You then went on to give a link to Google maps, locating the address. You are a fucking liar.

  27. traxus4420 Says:

    you know, i actually kind of like them personally. but that is undoubtedly a weakness on my part as they are villainous, vindictive, shameless bullies and that aspect just got a little too much for me to handle, especially when i looked around and saw the rave/perplexed reviews from all these decent people.

    dejan, yes it’s too bad, i saw him get a lot more confident and less weird after he started the blog but i’m almost positive that was a vampiric effect from ‘subverting’ americans and western europeans who have jobs and healthy psyches.

    i’ve actually met patrick in person and he is a very charming man, a bit like the devil. i thought we got along. but he had personal issues with chabert and we therefore couldn’t be friends, as he made clear over and over again.

    the blog game i should acknowledge is very seductive, despite the miniscule stakes. also very hard to communicate through, which i think tends to fool writers (who can be tricked by the slower pace and limited directionality of the print world into thinking they get perfect understanding). it really is like academia in miniature. lilliput comes to mind.

    “That’s why those people who are flattered or amused by being mentioned in his blog awards are so hilarious: they should be fucking terrified that they’ve been drawn into his mental universe.”

    yes, i was trying to get people to reconsider where they stand with this post. i’m sure some of them are genuinely charmed and not bothered by the objectionable content and that’s fine, but people whose job it is to think should form actual opinions about what and who they interact with and act accordingly. i mean louis proyect links to them. wtf?

    “As for what to do with them, well a flame war is out of the question. These arsewipes are classic attention seekers. They just have to be shut out and boycotted, and that means that anyone with an ounce of decency should wipe them off their blogrolls, refuse to speak to them in comment boxes and never link to them again. Anyone who continues to link to them or gets chatty in their comment boxes should be treated as if they are Dejanjonquille.”

    i think just pointing out repeatedly how they distort and sideline conversation will have to be good enough. people are going to do what they want.

    anyway, thanks for bringing this sordid fact to my attention — i had already resolved not to read their blog anymore, that was another reason why i de-linked.

  28. traxus4420 Says:

    “that is undoubtedly a weakness on my part as they are villainous, vindictive, shameless bullies”

    i actually stopped reading them a while ago and missed all this other shit they were saying about me. ok, they’re freaks, i’m convinced. i’m surprised how much i was willing to let slide. but then, i did use ‘we’ in the post on purpose.

  29. traxus4420 Says:

    chabert, i encountered you and the long sunday-ers about the same time that thing started happening so i didn’t really understand what was going on and mostly just wanted it to be over. i’m not completely shocked since every message board flame war i’ve ever seen gets to creepy threats at some point, but i still am a little.

  30. and that’s fine, but people whose job it is to think should form actual opinions about what and who they interact with and act accordingly. i mean louis proyect links to them. wtf?

    Traxus, it is really shocking that these people find us more intelligent, funny and/or interesting than they do you! But I told you this is what happens when you hang out with Chabert, who won’t be much help in your academic career.

    Patrick doesn’t have quite the same nice words for you that you used for him here, and I’m beginning to suspect he’s got a very good point. He thinks you’re a lying little tart,despite your diplomatic poseuring.

  31. i didn’t really understand what was going on and mostly just wanted it to be over.

    I met her at the same time, and she was harassing everyone, so that when I met her, she was being followed by a trail of trolling comments rhisomatically spreading wherever she went

  32. And it’s very interesting that all this stuff should have happened at Long sunday etc. because these are the people that are supposed to be so interested in destabilising fixed ideas of identity etc. But I suppose that only applies when you’re being ‘ironic’ about racial identities, a la A&F

  33. I’m beginning to suspect he’s got a very good point.

    Of course you do, you little wad of dickcheese. you do everything Patrick tells you to.

  34. traxus4420 Says:

    “Patrick doesn’t have quite the same nice words for you that you used for him here, and I’m beginning to suspect he’s got a very good point. He thinks you’re a lying little tart,despite your diplomatic poseuring.”

    yes, well, he has a very broad notion of what constitutes lying. i’m glad you two agree though. maybe you should just go back there, where it’s more agreeable.

  35. yes, i was trying to get people to reconsider where they stand with this post

    yes, you did that pretty conclusively actually. I mean to get back to you about your post after this crap dies down.

  36. I am totally safe Dejan. Please recall it is not I but kim dot dammit and others who find you scary and threaten to report you to the police for stalking. I think you’re pitiable actually, and that you imagine you upset people, and thus fantasise a world full of rabbits, the sort of critters you perhaps could manage to intimidate. And maybe there are some bunnies out there you can fwiteeen and manipulate, but I’m sure you won’t find too many beyond your present niche, where infection with prolonged adolescent insecurity with its excesssive fear of ridicule and namecalling is a professional hazard. (Despite, somehow, all the deep and radical wisdom purportedly imbibed, by these “monsters of courage and curiosity”, from Foucault, Zizek, Bataille, Genet, Nietzsche etc.)

  37. Update from the sewer:
    Patrick asks, with concern: I hope you’re gonna be ok with all the mean stuff they’re saying about you.
    I’m fine, responds Dejan, Whaddya mean?
    Oh nothing, says, Patrick, it’s just I’ve got a social life and you don’t, so I thought this stuff might be a bit of a blow for you.
    Oh OK, Patrick. No, I’ll be ok, so long as you dont leave me.

  38. traxus4420 Says:

    kenoma i know it’s tempting but i think we should leave the parody to the experts.

  39. traxus4420 Says:

    ugh, i have to get away from this thing — don’t go too crazy, everyone.

  40. Yes, you’re right, but their dynamic is hilarious, like Hamm and Clov. I predict it’ll be all over before they have a chance to hand out their awards.

  41. Chabert, the only amazing thing about you is the lengths to which you will improvise in order to cover up your adolescent LYING, or shall I say your Big Pollyanna Communist Lie. That constantly makes me laugh, and that’s why I managed to turn you into an evil blog diva. You are the driving force behind the Parody Center, as Childie duly noted.

    Traxus what Patrick told me is that you have the personality structure of a tranny bottom, and it shows in the way you hang out with these chicks-with-dicks, wimmin-in-black and lesbians like Kretinoma, working for their moralizing PR service. I don’t think smart academics will take you op on the moralizing, but if they do, WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I SHOULD CARE? I’m not interested in dumbshit academics.

  42. oops sorry, didn’t see your comment kenoma. will observe the boycott.

  43. ‘s’ok. think i broke it too. It starts tomorrow!!

  44. “i looked around and saw the rave/perplexed reviews from all these decent people.”

    in the workplace they learn submissiveness to authority, conformism, and sadism only toward the very weak and helpless. the perplexity comes from not being sure whether parodycentrum is more powerful than they, generally accepted by the group, or a helpless and isolated object suitable for attack. they await cues, and while awaiting these cues, play it safe, by submission, with a cottardist smirk in case an out is required later.

    “in the same way she likes reading novels. even though i think reduction to ‘literary’ value is too vague, i now feel like i understand what she meant about this post-nietzsche clique.”

    Ah but you assume some “art appreciation” stance in my reading of novels. Now that is “unfair”. Perhaps it is a question of the works one is most interested in. You can put baudrillard to one side and will self to the other without much explanation, trusting others will understand the criteria in play. This is a far more difficult thing to do with works like Gulliver’s Travels, Emile, Tristram Shandy, Tom Jones, Manon Lescaut, Jacques Le Fataliste, La Nouvelle Heloise, Candide, Caleb Williams, Frankenstein, Lucinda, Wilhelm Meister, Vathek, Heinrich von Ofterdingen, Kater Murr, Nightmare Abbey, Confessions of an English Opium Eater, Confessions of a Justified Sinner, the MS Found in Saragossa, Bartleby the Scrivener, Le Colonel Chabert or Either/Or.

  45. traxus4420 Says:

    “they await cues, and while awaiting these cues, play it safe, by submission, with a cottardist smirk in case an out is required later.”

    well i saw my own reflection in their reactions, though my trajectory was more like: a) immediate dismissal of dejan b) gave in to his persistence c) after he and patrick became the odd couple was shocked d) tried to be chummy, made ass of self, then finally e) hung in there, waiting for someone to say ‘joke’s over.’

    it reminds me of the story conservatives are always telling everyone about hitler and the appeasers. i can’t believe i just played that card, or that it fits.

    “Ah but you assume some “art appreciation” stance in my reading of novels. Now that is “unfair”. Perhaps it is a question of the works one is most interested in.”

    yes, i haven’t really gotten far enough in to your era so that it’s really in my repertoire yet. 20th century ‘great books’/barnes & noble prejudices. forgive me.

    do you read EVERYTHING the way i read history?

    also i thought i’d mention that the expert dejan sicced on everyone, john c. sigler III, is apparently a member of the Confederate Hammer Skinheads. an apple pie racist, in other words, though with internationalist ethics.

  46. i think you’re unfair to yourself there traxus; you tried to get some genuine communication going. There is no shred of hope of left politics without this effort – I talk to fascists and the like all the time, racists, misogynists, homophobes, one has to try to listen and get through, when common interests are to be advanced and defended. One has to challenge these views relentlessly but in as constructive a way as possible. I was speaking of people who’d banned dejan from their blogs originally when he was actually trying to get some information across about zizek’s real politics and the neoNazi NATO assault on yugoslavia (this is why proyect links there), who had zero tolerance for that challenge to their pieties, traditions, territorialities and fetishes, and zero interest in that subject, whom he then won over when he dropped that and went with the overthetop misogyny and racism and pure stupidity. It’s as with zizek – the only thing that really seemed a faux pas to these folks was his liking of a movie they had precipitantly foamed in outage about. The whole thing could have been avoided had daniel not attacked that girl for liking it, accusing her of promoting fascism and genocide, before zizek’s review came out; then they all could have simply agreed to see the radical leftist merits of the film. Ignoring or applauding racism, sexism, homophobia and exterminationism in pop culture is hardly a challenge for these people.

    the best work on the NATO aggression against yugoslavia is from Diana Johnstone (Fool’s Crusade) and Ed Hermann (monthly review, znet, a book he edited “Degraded Capability” on the media and Kosovo). John Laughland (a real conservative sort of national sovereigntist) has written a very very good book on the ICTY called Travesty. (Ramsey Clarke wrote the intro). For the decade pre-aggression (or, pre military aggression – there was economic aggression of course first), Catherine Samary is very good. Parenti’s book To Kill A Nation is good too but not as well referenced/researched as Johnstone’s.

    “john c. sigler III, is apparently a member of the Confederate Hammer Skinheads. an apple pie racist, in other words, though with internationalist ethics.”

    he fits right in then in environments whose other cited authorities are a majority raving white supremacists and which include people who have personally undertaken to propagandise for and perpetrate crimes against humanity including the “supreme crime” (according to the Nuremberg judges), aggressive war. (zizek, hardt, baudrillard…)

  47. It starts tomorrow!!

    Kretinoma face it you can barely control your motormouth; that foul gossip mouth is your reproductive organ. But now you can’t post at the Parody Center anymore, I’m afraid you’re gonna have to bark at the wind, sweetie.

    well i saw my own reflection in their reactions,

    …and then recoiled in terror when you realized you’re not as nice as you thought! And now my parody targets are supposed to wipe your ass?

  48. And Traxus, you’re a talented liar yourself – you used to scavenge on my marathon debates with Chabert by coming in occasionally with some snide remark on Lacan or some depressing/nihilist existentialism along the lines of ”aaaah it all doesn’t make sense”; you also nearly always defended Chabert’s view, your approach was PROPAGANDISTIC and as long as the parody wasn’t aimed at you, you laughed your ass off at others. Now that I democratically (and in an egalitarian fashion) showed you that noone shall be pardoned from my parody, except figures that I and only I deem holy, it’s suddenly too much for your apologetic bottom and immediately you’re resorting to that ”racist! nationalist! homophobe! ” P.C. mantra that informs the discourse of pastoral Communists like Sherbert.

    I repeated to you twice yesterday, and sent you texts to substantiate my view, that this is not about any racist position, but revealing a piece of information – that 1) Kosovan nationalism has a long ETHNOGENESIS dating back to at least 1918 and 2) that Kosovan terrorism was bred, fostered and developed by Communists, primarily. You ignore this information and you immediately go for your Missus’s labia.

  49. …and considering that the Empire is getting ready to chop up Russia using islamic terrorism should be enough for you to conclude that islamic terrorism IS a real threat, so attempts at denial (ostrich plunging his head into the ground) are only going to backfire, rendering us even more impotent to see the complexity of the problem and do something about it!

  50. that “so something to bear in mind” is my comment, not the email.

  51. i’m truly sorry to do that dejan, but you have to see: I am not going to be your friend. No matter what. Even if you succeeded in intimidating everyone I exchange words with on the internet not to converse with me, for fear of your silly parodies, I would not turn to you. I have more friends in real life than I have any kind of time for. I am blissfully happily married. This is all pointless and in the course of your obsessional quest for attention from me, good or bad, you are alienating people who would have been friendly with you and would have listened to the more serious and sincere things you have to say.

    You are going to get yourself into trouble you know. Those people came very close to reporting you to the cops. I have been asked more than once for copies of any harrassing and threatening emails you have sent me, and you know there are many. I have not shared them but you know other people will share theirs.

    You believe in psychoanalysis, so you say. Get yourself to a shrink. You are a talented animator, sometimes funny, and with some reform of taste, when you are not engaging in these completely dishonest, crude and desperate histrionics to try to prolongue some twisted stormy fantasy relationship you imagine you are having with me, you probably could have a decent career and a nice life. But not if you behave like a wild animal. Go get some therapy.

  52. stormy fantasy relationship you imagine you are having with me, you probably could have a decent career and a nice life.

    I do not fantasize any relationship with you, I am using your stupidity as a basis for endless parody, and there’s no law against parody. If there was, I’d be willing to go to prison in order to fight against such a law.

  53. jonquille de camembert Says:

    “Yes, you’re right, but their dynamic is hilarious, like Hamm and Clov. I predict it’ll be all over before they have a chance to hand out their awards.”‘

    I’m afraid we slept TOO WELL for the BARBARIAN HIGH YELLA PERIL to affect us more than his little needle-prick could be expected, but anyway, nobody gives a fuck about your predictions, you piece of stink-pussy. Hey, try a fuckin’ DOUCHE, you trash Muslim slut. Belly dancer? I bet the guys complain bout the odour.

  54. jonquille de camembert Says:

    ‘it reminds me of the story conservatives are always telling everyone about hitler and the appeasers. i can’t believe i just played that card, or that it fit.’

    So have you saved the world, you little ROTTER? from Hitler as seen through dejan/jonquille? In the meantime, get somebody to teach you how to hold your fuckin’ fork!

  55. jonquille de camembert Says:

    “in the workplace they learn submissiveness to authority, conformism, and sadism only toward the very weak and helpless. the perplexity comes from not being sure whether parodycentrum is more powerful than they, generally accepted by the group, or a helpless and isolated object suitable for attack. they await cues, and while awaiting these cues, play it safe, by submission, with a cottardist smirk in case an out is required later.”

    More precious pearls from the Valium ‘n’ Vodka Addict.

  56. jonquille de camembert Says:

    i’m truly sorry to do that dejan, but you have to see: I am not going to be your friend.

    And I’m glad the cooze published these too,
    Dejan, because you do have a tendency to grovel up filthy dyke loam-tracks. She is ‘not going to be your friend. No matter what.’ How can you not be grateful? You ARE too dependent if you refuse to even recognize your enemies instead of trying to kill them in the most smart-weapon kind of way.

  57. jonquille de camembert Says:

    ‘I am blissfully happily married. ‘

    that probably means she got fucked (finally) for Chanukkah present.

  58. that probably means she got fucked (finally) for Chanukkah present.

    No I don’t think any sex ever takes place, she’s online 48 hours per day, it means she upholds a Prudish and Prune, Conservative sexual policy in total conflict with her ”radical” perspective on proletarian sexuality, which is just another one of her hypocrisies, and in this sense I feel that she not only jeopardized my worker’s right to share pussy, but that we can’t even use her as a fag hag – let alone the star of a Jewish operetta.

  59. traxus4420 Says:

    names not already aired by their users have been removed to protect the innocent.

    jonquille and parodycenter are now banned. i really do have better things to do than moderate them.

    also if anyone wants other comments removed, let me know. the few i left in are for purposes of demonstration only.

  60. I’m sorry, I didn’t even see that this Sigler III is associated with the skinheads, actually didn’t even notice the name of the author, because I was rushing to find a summary; and in other places he also wrote stuff on ”white power” in positive terms, all of which is quite unacceptable. Nevertheless, he didn’t write anything false in the article – and this can be tested against many different resources, coming from various sides. The thing is, from the Communist or Leninist perspective, even the new Serbian government is shoved under the category ”nationalist”, as if nationalism by default must mean something negative – for example, the government is deemed ”nationalist” because they want to keep Kosovo in Serbia – and this is the kind of an idiotic Leftist bias against which I was shouting. Anyhow turns out I was worrying too much over nothing, because in the end the EU is going to replace the UN as Kosovo’s patron and the extremists will be told to shut up – the EU apparently doesn’t need mess in the Balkans any more than the Serbs do.
    Problem not really solved, but probably deferred indefinitely.

  61. traxus4420 Says:

    decided to let this one through.

  62. I have to revise the ending – no there was no settlement, the drama continues, and with almost the whole EU without Cyprus in favor of independence, will probably result in the same. Russia on the other hand is angrier than ever, and will retaliate.

  63. a little random haiku:

    snow floats through darkness.
    words cross the tongue, letters in
    crime. forget the past. now.

  64. don’t want comments removed*, . in fact, . want them sent to me rather (only fair if remover must commit to sending them to requesters piecemeal)

    We can’t have a repeat of election results STATESIDE and need Kucinich with his tax reformer M Hudson on the ball (see guns and butter dot net shows 195 and 194 for a fast paced update from the latter).

    Nice template here by the way but posting mainstream articles that illustrate doings of the Lobby and supertitling them with terms like ‘jewish nazis’ (taking a lead from the Finkelstein Norm) gets you (or Rowan Berkeley rather) banned no less than Blogger allows white nazis to haunt Deb Frisch from one blog(re)name to the next (her own the first to be lost) for showing what US industry wreaks (victim photographs).

    * nor would i have this crap shoved under the table:

    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=gmail&q=%22hans%20blueher%22%20femme%20butch%20nazi 9 results (includes repeats) with some fat slabs of text amongst them

    specially not for folks who find themselves fascinated by the likes of D and JP

    i think it’s time by now to start making clearer distinctions along the slippery trajectories, crossroads, turn offs and outs of gender, in one word demography (or demogramix to emphasize DESIRED diversity).

  65. you as a daoist should know what i (as extension of Drew Hempel quotes of whom i posted to the Paro C yesterday) mean when i say D and Junkie the coming bore are faking their spirit body construct. Their playfullness is pretense and hollow. It’s like seeing Mickey Rourke in real life having left himself behind in his roles, unable to stop playing (with) his projected self and unable to stop it playing up: classic case of man’s very own tools becoming parasitic. One can’t drop it but nobody will succeed to cut it out of one either.

    therefore

    don’t want comments removed*, . in fact, . want them sent to me rather (only fair if remover must commit to sending them to requesters piecemeal)

    We can’t have a repeat of election results STATESIDE and need Kucinich with his tax reformer M Hudson on the ball (see guns and butter dot net shows 195 and 194 for a fast paced update from the latter).

    Nice template here by the way but posting mainstream articles that illustrate doings of the Lobby and supertitling them with terms like ‘jewish nazis’ (taking a lead from the Finkelstein Norm) gets you (or Rowan Berkeley rather) banned no less than Blogger allows white nazis to haunt Deb Frisch from one blog(re)name to the next (her own the first to be lost) for showing what US industry wreaks (victim photographs).

    * nor would i have this crap shoved under the table:

    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=gmail&q=%22hans%20blueher%22%20femme%20butch%20nazi 9 results (includes repeats) with some fat slabs of text amongst them

    specially not for folks who find themselves fascinated by the likes of D and JP

    i think it’s time by now to start making clearer distinctions along the slippery trajectories, crossroads, turn offs and outs of gender, in one word demography (or demogramix to emphasize DESIRED diversity).

  66. traxus4420 Says:

    thanks piet, sorry you got moderated

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