Comments on: O B A M A N O W

By: poetpiet

poetpiet — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:43:15 +0000

tried to post here but, like a months ago, nuttin doin … so went to therabbiteater instead

By: john steppling

john steppling — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:41:29 +0000

having said that.,………….so far those one sees around our pres elect are a pretty depressing lot. I dont want to get sickened quite yet…..cause i want to wait for january…………..BUT, paul volker? Rahmbo? Jesus.

By: john steppling

john steppling — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:31:40 +0000

And when i say hagel isnt a dumb choice………Im bending over backwards to be a realist right now.

He wont pick cynthia mckinny or chabert or stan goff………….but we could hope

By: john steppling

john steppling — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:29:36 +0000

well, Im relieved he won too. And i suspect he’s more of an intellectual than he lets on, and likely in his heart considerably more progressive. Which may result in over-reacting to those fears from the DNC etc. But he might pick a few interesting people………..chuck hagel isnt a dumb pick for defense or state……….and the less visible appointments……….health and human services etc………..I would not be surprised to see some quite progressive people chosen……….which will only mean he will balance it with colin powell or john kerry.

In any event, I still look at this the way sharon smith did.
We have not seen a rise in class struggle for more than three decades in the U.S. But the class anger on display in this election could well be a prelude to such a rise in coming years. Obama has promised “change,” but the scale of change that is needed requires mass struggle from below.”

and here “But Obama’s victory also represents a surge in class consciousness and a decisive rejection of neoliberal policies that have lowered working-class living standards around the world for more than three decades”

By: traxus4420

traxus4420 — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:08:39 +0000

if all one really wants from obama is an ‘overall feeling’ or ‘atmosphere’ of hope then that is a desire for ‘better’ or better targeted marketing. not sinful to want (i want it too), but it’s hard to call it political or progressive.

thanks warszawa and luke — checking out the gore vidal interview now

By: Luke

Luke — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:55:23 +0000

Yes, that’s it, because the people in Grant Park are not nearly as poor as most of these conspiracy theorists. and they do apply this ‘conspiracy atmosphere’ to literally everything they analyze. Ab. So. Lute. Ly impossible they were all excited and relieved that something good had gotten started. They were, by comparison to the Qlipoth Sages, STOOPID ASSHOLES, and they knew not what they thought, did or fucked. And yes I said yes I will yes.

It’s certainly better that Obama won despite the possibility of maybe slightly higher taxes that would be the only legitimate thing against his victory

By: traxus4420

traxus4420 — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:53:27 +0000

“You could say whether you agreed with things like Obama was the ‘main character cast by Wall Street’, which is only one of many things in common it has with explosives slipped into the Towers. So maybe you do or maybe you don’t, obviously it can’t mean anything to me except to try to understand somebody I’m talking to I keep talking to them.”

my official statement is that obama was approved by many on wall street, a connection you can read about anywhere. this does not imply that he was selected from birth, secretly controlled, or genetically manufactured by a central planning committee located on wall street, or that he didn’t have support from a grassroots movement from the moment of his ‘big break’ at the ‘04 DNC and even earlier. to succeed in the way he did, the support of both was absolutely necessary. the size and power of the obama movement that made him president did not pre-exist the wall street money and influence, however. i think many if not most obama supporters (like me) would agree with what i just wrote, and would say that they ultimately desire not obama himself but what they hope he can help catalyze. this hope is based partly in his personal qualities and stated beliefs/proposals, partly a product of marketing. it’s complicated. i should also repeat that none of this has to do with 9/11 in any way.

i’m really happy that obama is president. the fact that i’m apparently unable to communicate that to you while also trying to understand the significance of his election is a testament to my weakness as a writer, namely my perhaps excessive worry of writing yet another advertisement for the man.

By: Luke

Luke — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:35:16 +0000

In what must have been Gore Vidal's last appearance on BBC he's basically shouted down on everything he says by a cretinous interviewer reciting neocon talking points, as if he were Moses reciting his Commandments: their origin appearing to be quite providential and beyond this character's powers of rational explanation. This whole thing may have soured Vidal on the BBC. here.

By: warszawa

warszawa — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:20:49 +0000

“a post as bad or worse as any I’ve ever seen by warszawa.”

Since I’m mentioned: There are few compliments more welcome to me than the disapproval of Patrick J. Mullins, aka The Stream of Semi-Consciousness. (When he calls a post “vile and evilly stupid”, you can be sure that post is pretty much spot-on. He’s like a clock that’s always twelve hours slow.)

Anyway, thanks for some excellent recent posts, traxus (and Chabert).

By: Jonquille de Camembert

Jonquille de Camembert — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:00:05 +0000

So that was an Arpege post at Qlipoth. Shouldn’t be a big surprise, but sad, traxus, sad. You did answer my questions after all. If you believe one of those theories, you believe them all, and you can no longer believe you don’t. I just went through this to make 100% sure where you stood, because we don’t need to try to pretend we really communicate, just because we sometimes think we do. You seem to want to find out the hard way, and you are going to get to. Apologies for those posts which wasted both our times, but I wasn’t really sure that vile and evilly stupid post was Arpege’s. I see that it is, and that’s all I needed to know. I couldn’t accuse her without slandering her (however legally), but she was perfectly happy to admit having written a post as bad or worse as any I’ve ever seen by warszawa. I love it that she cited sadrugestrane. Why don’t you start commenting at Lenin’s Tomb? I always wondered why you didn”t.

Wow. This is something. The New Blogging of Arpege and Traxus.